1. Amalia Dillin: “Thor and Loki (No Footnotes, Just Gut)”

    From a post by fantasy author Amalia Dillin speculating on Thor & Loki’s relationship in the myths:

    Loki was the cool uncle who let Thor do all the fun stuff. Loki was the person who took him on adventures and rescued Thor from trouble at the last minute. We see it in the myths, too, that when Thor is in trouble, he goes to Loki first, not Odin. Just consider the cross-dressing Thor, incident. When the Mjollnir disappears, Thor doesn’t race to his father, the man with the seat that allows him to see everything in the nine worlds, Thor goes to Loki. Thor goes to Loki because Loki has always gotten him out of scrapes in the past, and Loki isn’t going to judge him, or give him a hard time, or punish him, the way a father might, for getting into the scrape to begin with. Even though Odin could have discerned the location of Mjollnir faster and more easily, Thor appeals to a different power for help.


    Thor & Loki by Frederick Richardson [USA, 1913]

    We see in the myths that it is most often Loki leading Thor on these trips which always end in some kind of disastrous fix — but why is Thor following along so blithely? Why is it so hard for Thor to see what’s coming when he gets involved in these adventures? Even Thor isn’t that dumb. I mean, sure, he isn’t the brightest of the gods, but that’s a whole different level of blind naivety. But if Thor was raised to trust him, raised looking up to him as his fun uncle, raised to trust that Loki will take care of him from childhood, it all makes so much more sense.

    And it also explains how difficult it is for Thor to finally face the facts of Loki’s nature, and just why Thor has given him forgiveness after forgiveness. It makes sense that in the Lokasenna, Thor blows a gasket even to see the uncle who betrayed him, betrayed his whole family, by engineering Balder’s death. The first words out of his mouth are shut up, or I’ll hammer your mouth shut — and  after all the trouble Loki has gotten Thor into before now, after all the times Thor has just laughed and forgiven him, that kind of immediate response seems like a break in character. But Loki has finally crossed the line. His sins are too great to overlook.

    Thor responds to Loki like a child who suddenly realizes the truth about his parent. Balder’s death, his brother’s murder, shatters Thor’s ideal of who Loki is in a way nothing else could have. Suddenly, Thor is able to see clearly, man to man, god to god, giant to giant. Thor should have expected some kind of betrayal from Loki — but he didn’t. He couldn’t see around the idea of the Uncle he had looked up to all his life to recognize the truth of his character. He couldn’t see that the mischief hid malice, because he was a boy who saw the best in the uncle who had half-raised him.

    Loki and Thor’s relationship is tragic. It ends the way so many of Loki’s adventures did — in disaster. And when it really mattered, when it might have made all the difference, Loki went out of his way to be sure it couldn’t be fixed.

    Amalia Dillin has an upcoming trilogy “Fate of the Gods” which includes Adam, Eve and Thor! I hope Loki is in it as well, first book out in March!

  2. ironinomicon:

in which loki ties a goat to his ballsack for…. reasons

[Do you have a credit for this? I couldn’t find anything about it online & would love to know more about it!]


    in which loki ties a goat to his ballsack for…. reasons


    [Do you have a credit for this? I couldn’t find anything about it online & would love to know more about it!]

  3. From “How Thor Got His Hammer Back” by Annie Wilson-Clark, illustrated by Hrana Janto [USA, 2007]

    "Thor wakes one morning to find his magic hammer missing, but with the help of Loki, finds it in the possession of the giant king Thrym. Promising Freya’s hand in marriage, Thor dresses as Freya and returns with Loki to fetch his hammer."

  4. Odin, Loki, Baldr and Sjöfn from The Almighty Johnsons Series 2, Episode 5 “A Damn Fine Woman” [New Zealand, 2012]

    More Almighty Johnsons ! This time Loki’s getting very defensive about his heteromasculinity. Odin/Axl has accidentally turned himself into a woman after a night in drag. Loki/Colin thinks this is fucking hilarious. Grandpa Baldr is quick to point out the hypocrisy in this, Lokasenna-style.

    (The rundown: Norse gods, diminished to reincarnated mortal forms, have fled from god-hunters across the world to New Zealand, and their descendants are now living their lives as apparently normal humans. Odin, king of the gods - reborn this time round as an awkward 21 year old bloke called Axl - has to first find and fuck/marry the elusive Frigg in order for all the gods to regain their full powers. Loki knows more about god business, and has more control over his limited powers, than any of the others except maybe Freyja. The Almighty Johnsons has kind of a similar sense of anarchic humour and healthy appreciation of sex & drugs as UK urban-sci-fantasy show Misfits.)

    Colin is a really different interpretation of Loki than any I’ve come across so far, and my initial reaction was WTF, but he soooo grew on me. He is such a flippantly gleeful bastard. Usually in a state of morally grey antagonism with the other gods through furthering his own agendas or playing tricks on them, he’s kinda campily eccentric and incredibly crude. I <3 the smarmy fucker.

    Last AJ post I was rending my clothes over what seemed like the cancellation of the third series due to budget constraints, but it’s baaaaaack in 2013! ~SO EXCITE~ The second series has just finished airing in the UK on SyFy. Also, apparently there may be a US version of the Almighty Johnsons in the works from SyFy….

  5. Loki and Odin from “Desire of the Gods" by Insanity Team [USA, 2006]

    A USian yaoi manga about the tragic love between Loki and Baldur. Odin has a few problems with this, and well, things escalate, with a foredoomed ending you’re probably familiar with. Yaoi ain’t really my thang so I found it hilarious rather than sexy but ymmv ;)


  6. lokason:

Because people are still complaining about Marvel shipping.
Here, have some Thor and Loki to spread the queer all over this “big manly viking religion.”

(LOL! And someone describing themselves as &#8220;right-wing&#8221; &amp; &#8220;southern&#8221; [US] has jumped in to object, zzz. Pic is Loki dolling up Thor by humon, inspired by the Lay of Thrym. I am sooo going to do a queer-as-fuck retelling of this at some point.)


    Because people are still complaining about Marvel shipping.

    Here, have some Thor and Loki to spread the queer all over this “big manly viking religion.”

    (LOL! And someone describing themselves as “right-wing” & “southern” [US] has jumped in to object, zzz. Pic is Loki dolling up Thor by humon, inspired by the Lay of Thrym. I am sooo going to do a queer-as-fuck retelling of this at some point.)

  7. Anonymous said: I love all the pictures of Loki on the right. I haven't seen one yet from Sarah Schanze's "Thistil Mistil Kistil". The story moves pretty slowly, but I'm quite enjoying it. Apologies if I've just missed it. -Tyler

    Thankyou! :) Yep, there is one in there, keep refreshing! (If you mouse over a pic it brightens and alt text says what the pic is or who it’s by, if u hadn’t noticed already.) I keep adding more pics as I find them.

  8. 17:52 7th Dec 2012

    Notes: 2

    thenerdieone said: Did I read that right in your previous rant? Loki and Odin had sex and raised children together? I'd known of the Lokesanna but I didn't know they raised kids together.

    According to the article at the link in the para above by Freyja V, yes, accepting the premise that the two represent Odin and Loki. :)

  9. daijvina: <snip, to me>

    Undrestroyed? Are you shitting me? The viking is almost dead outside of the nordic countries. People on tumblr kills it slowly by being what Odin would call, the wise man. Answer me dear tumblr person. Do you know who Ymir is? Do you know about the Boatman? Do you know about Fjorgyn? Do you know about Bor? I could list alot more but I asume you wouldn’t get it.

    Marvel has been a part of destroying an already dying history and mythology, by making many people believe that is how the myths are. That Thorki excists in the mythology, let me tell you that. If any homosexuality was discovered by either viking or god. They would have been killed. I know, it’s horrible, but that is how the history and mythology is. Now understand, the viking is dying and you guys do nothing more than feeding him with the poisen of the midgardian serpent. He will die before the manwar starts

    Sorry for cluttering up your browsing, dear followers, I couldn’t pass this up.

    tumblr’s impact
    Where do I start? Okay, I admire your insistence that tumblr has any sort of significance in influencing the modern state of Norse mythology, and Heathenism. Perhaps tumblr would seem to be less of a gargantuan cultural force when off it. If tumblr did have any impact, I’d say it was for the better - there’s a good little community here of Heathens, academics (yup) and enthusiasts. And the Marvel movies you so despise (I see you like Tolkien and Doctor Who, so do I! And they’ve both had fun with Norse mythology), have, if anything, made a whole lot more people hear of Norse mythology for the very first time, start reading up on the source myths, and even to realise that Heathenism is their spiritual path. Isn’t that amazing? I thought so. 

    [I hope you have studied how living cultures operate, and that is through change, not stasis. Dead myths are ones that very few care about, very few talk about, that only live between the pages of a book. As I’ve posted about recently, the Western obsession with authenticity (arguably as part of its colonialist Orientalism), leads to an idealisation of stasis - and a preciousness over being the authentic holder of truth. It’s very apparent with Western travellers in non-Western countries, with Western attitudes to the fourth world, and many of the same modes of thought apply to visiting Western histories. All that is to say that “I’m more authentic than you” is a peculiar recent phenomenon, rather hipster, not at all Viking, and not even factually true.]

    No one knows who Ymir is any more
    Secondly, you do seem to be under the impression that you are special for knowing who Ymir is. Despite this, my reply to you that made reference to Ymir’s blood and teeth (an unfunny joke, I’ll admit) sailed right over your head, and my tags about Skrymir too. Please do be cautious of straw people.

    Ruining Norse mythology since 1100 AD
    I am always amazed and admiring for how many people on tumblr, some of whom also are fans of Marvel (goshhh), study the vast field of Norse mythology and know even more than I do. And they still like Marvel! And the 50 trillion other works of fiction that draw upon Norse mythology for inspiration! You can partly thank Tolkien for that (I mean, Gandalf is a dwarf, okay! Not a half-assed Odin!). And Wagner. I mean, gosh, the liberties he took! Iðunn isn’t Freia, okay! Killing Norse mythology! And the Vikings! Kids those days! Germans! And what about the Nazis who used Norse mythology imagery to support their white supremacist and nationalist ideals? Who organised under the cover of Norse mythology reading groups? Who used the imagery of Ragnarök to support ethnic cleansing? Who often subscribed to Heathen beliefs themselves? And the Neo-Nazis and many many many Asatru organisations today who carry on this tradition? Norse mythology! Killed! Dead! And we’re not even gonna start talking about the Christians including ol’ Snorri! Cos I’ll never stop! But nuuu, tumblr.com’s predilection for the recent Avengers movie is the greatest threat to the very existence of Norse mythology! Threatening to wipe it off the face of the earth! Books burnt at 451°F! Hard drives erased! Maybe the Odinists are right, and Loki (with Tom Hiddleston’s evil FACE) and his kids are orchestrating all this!


    Vikings belong to meeee
    If you are answering from a nationalist standpoint by any chance, and the way you express yourself, in this sort of incoherent paranoid hate-filled macho way, is in line with those who do (and/or fans of Amon Amarth etc), I’m going to ask, well, firstly, when you say “The viking is almost dead outside of the nordic countries” what do you mean exactly? My impression was that “Vikings”, as part of old Norse culture, ceased to exist nearly a millennia a go, but what do I know? If you mean, “dressing up as a Viking for fun and nostalgia”, or even “Making films about Vikings for fun and nostalgia” or “Making films about Viking beliefs for fun and nostalgia”, well, that does appear to be more alive and well than ever, in what is known as a “modern revival”, so I’m not really sure what you mean. If you mean “it’s really not fair how people outside of Scandinavia don’t dress up or write stories about Vikings for fun and nostalgia quite as much as within Scandinavia”, I could think of a few reasons.

    If you mean “it’s really not fair how people outside of Scandinavia do dress up or write stories about Vikings” in a nationalistic sense, I’m going to back away very slowly. For one, the native-speaking Anglosphere which produces the bulk of films, books, re-enactments, etc about the Viking era and “Norse” mythology, has their cultural roots in Britain. Whose gods were Odin/ Óðinn/ Oden/ Woden/ Wotan et al because of Angle, Saxon, Viking ancestors, etc etc. Preciousness about how this mythology belongs only to Scandinavia is actually historically incorrect. Scandinavia is also not a colonised region the British invaded and repressed or stole their beliefs from (quite the reverse, lol). And it is not like Scandinavian countries don’t mess with the myths for fun and nostalgia either!

    If you are talking from a Heathen perspective, I’m not really sure how there are LESS Heathens now than there were before last year’s ground-zero-fateful-movie-event. There’s certainly a lot of new ones around these parts. You might want to talk to the bones of Christian priests and converted kings 1000 years long dead about all that.

    Real Vikings give it up the arse
    Now finally, the thing which made my eyebrows disappear into my hair, is your statement about “homosexuality”, which seemed to come from left-field. I am guessing that for you, that this, more than any other kind of liberty taken with Nordic mythology in the name of meaningful creative expression or hateful racist propaganda or whatever, sticks in your craw. And I find it both sad and funny. I’m really really beginning to doubt that you know very much about pre-Christian Norse society at all (let’s pretend for yucks that the Norse were the only ones who worshipped or invented the gods in question, for now). Like many, many cultures across the world, the stigma attached to same-gender behaviour only extended to men (not women, note) who took it like a woman. There was actually no legal prohibition against it, but you could be shamed for it. It wasn’t so much about the act, but in behaving like a woman. Many behaviours caused this stigma to be attached that were considered too feminine for a good strong warrior. I suppose you’ve heard of níð and ergi? And male religious and magic practitioners of seething? There was also a distinction made between shunning reproduction, ie het marriage altogether, and casual gay sex on the side. Guess which one was heavily frowned upon. Despite that, men and women were sometimes buried together as couples. To say, as many more conservative fans of Norse mythology do, that the “Vikings” killed “homosexuals” (a term and orientation invented/recognised in the 19th century, incidentally, with “heterosexuality” decades later), is fanciful to the extreme, and smacks of modern homophobic wishful thinking, to be brutally honest. Also, blame the Christians. They, who recorded much of this, really didn’t like non-binary non-cis-het behaviour, and so we continue to the present day.

    To quote from the excellent Viking Answer Lady: ”Thus, homosexual sex was not what was condemned, but rather the failure to stand for one’s self and make one’s own decisions, to fight one’s own fights, which went directly against the Nordic ethic of self-reliance. Being used homosexually by another man was equated with cowardice because of the custom of sexual aggression against vanquished foes.” Yep, dudes loved raping dudes they’d defeated. Fucking other dudes was expected as a proper man.


    Odin begs to differ
    Now let’s look at Norse (which isn’t just Norse) mythology. You claim no god was “homosexual” (love that word!) because if they were they would have been “killed”. Apart from the fact that the issues that the Norse did have with feminine human men were enacted as a kind of uneasy tolerance/shaming, they certainly didn’t seem to have too many issues with gods and old heroes who behaved in gender-inappropriate ways, including motherfucking Odin (who had a cult in his name that we think involved gay priestly sex. Also see Njôrðr and Freyr). If Thor didn’t like cross-dressing, is he excused in your eyes? The Lokasenna is a feast of gender bending! So is almost everything about Loki ever! Fucking men and male horses and giving birth! Shapeshifting! Cross-dressing! Only god getting killed is Baldur, in a story about mistletoe and rebirth! 

    Writes Freyia Völundarhúsins, (of Odin): Now as to Odin, his name of  “bitch” and “castrate” has been happily ignored by most popular presentations. He is supposedly the All-Father, the patriarch and king of a hierarchic pantheon, the god of war and human sacrifice, the ruler of Valhalla and an infamous lover. His role as a sexually ambivalent witch-god is less prominent in the popular image. His ecstatic character, his shaman behavior and his intimate association with the Great Goddess and the magical sphere of women are rarely explored any further, although some scholars certainly have shown that Odin was transcending boundaries to the extreme, also those of gender.”

    Read the account by Freyia above of the duel of words between the sorcerer Sinfiötli, who represents Odin, and his old friend, now foe, Gudmundr, who represents Loki, in the poem of Helgi Hundingsbani. They very clearly had sex and raised children together. There are also accounts of other men and women in the poem who do not fit your idea(l)s of good cis-het Norse Viking type heroes.

    All this objection to “Thorki”, fanfiction of fanfiction of fanfiction (yep), seems rather silly and pearl-clutchingly homophobic now, does it not? Cherry-picking objections. Not that queer sexuality should EVER need justification, least of all from you. As someone else said to you: “Step off”.

  10. image: Download

    "Opus 23: Loke og Sigyn" by Håkon Arnestad Bjærke [Norway, 1953]

    "Opus 23: Loke og Sigyn" by Håkon Arnestad Bjærke [Norway, 1953]

  11. To everyone who insults and destorys the Norse Mythology



    (tagged #marvel)

    Last time I checked, Norse mythology was still here and undestroyed and wildly popular. And no one worships Tom Hiddleston except in the fangirl sense (thank fuck). Anyway, I’ve been stranded in the ocean before and managed to swim quite well to shore, and scree is just annoying. ;P

  12. ibringthefireodin:

    I honestly believe that the point of stories, modern and ancient, is to help us make sense of our lives.

    When I write Loki I don’t focus on his gender orientation (or lack there of) very much. I’m much more interested in Loki’s association with chaos (although my Loki in Fire always a flagrant…

    Since I’ve been angsting about truth and interpretations in the last coupla days on the #norse mythology tag, this is relevant to me! As I see it, there are four levels on which to make multiple interpretations of myth.

    • The first is at the source: most myths were/are oral traditions, and facts and details were altered to suit the storytellers’ whims, or otherwise altered for various reasons across the geographical range of the traditions. So myths as viewed by an outside audience may have various versions/interpretations. 
    • The second is by academics and others trying to discover what those making and listening to the myths actually said/knew. This is the level at which I was trying to operate with attempting to discover “truth”, and the only useful level regarding myths at which to consider empirical truth a virtue. Since with Norse myths our knowledge is (to say the least) incomplete, there are vigorous debates about what the remaining, often Christian-mediated, fragments actually say about the beliefs and stories of the old Norse, Anglo-Saxons et al.
    • The third is by outside-the-culture storytellers (“modern” storytellers in many but not all respects - some myths are still living!). Unless the aim is to to be faithful to the source and add no significant new detail (such as Kevin Crossley-Holland’s or Erik Evensen’s books), there’s few limits as to what fresh interpretations can be put on old stories (as Marvel et al demonstrates). Even “faithful” books, being secondary sources (or tertiary), have to make decisions that can render, for example, Loki as Satan-himself-Evil or more of a misunderstood guy.

      Unless you are taking the position that it is disrespectful (and that objection may be valid for “living” mythologies or for Western retellings from colonised cultures) to change or add the information we know about a myth tradition to make a new, good, meaningful story, then “creative licence” is a wonderful thing and people who get het up about “omg they maaaaaddeee Lokiiii Thorrrr’s brother” are silly. This is what storytellers do, and what they did when the Norse skalds plied their craft upon a merry drunken audience. And what I have a lot of fun documenting on this blog.
    • The fourth is a religious one, and as an atheist, the level I’m least qualified to talk about. Multiple interpretations can happen through spiritual insight. Truth goes beyond the empirical and may not be universal. The myths as told, whilst important, are often seen as imperfect human reflections of greater truths about the god/s and universe.

    So I might care about accuracy/truth when thinking on the academic level - was Loki originally a spider-god or not? - but I could not care less on the storytelling level. In this era of “copyright”, “originality” and “authenticity” it is often seen as gauche to take a story, or a song, or a picture, or ten of them, and “remix” to provide new meaning and enjoyment. Stuff that.

  13. 14:56

    Notes: 706

    Reblogged from mosellegreen

    Tags: lokimarvelseiðrthorergi


    Oh, crap. This puts a whole new light on Thor teasing Loki (in the deleted scene that took place right before Thor’s coronation) about his helmet by calling him “cow”.

    Ouch ouch ouch. Thor, I really don’t want to think that badly of you….

    LOL! I hadn’t made that connection before (I did think there were a number of animals Loki’s helmet resembled before that of ‘cow’). It’s quite possible the Thor scriptwriters when they did their research into Norse mythology, threw that in there as a bit of a reference, but I’m not certain. That whole deleted scene is interesting to watch from a gender viewpoint - they are two men competing affectionately, as men do under patriarchy, over the battleground of “masculinity”, implying the other is more feminine, but there’s an underlying unease. Let me digress…

    Thor’s “Some do battle, others just do tricks” is the most interesting line for me, especially when the servant (in a palace where guards get ‘flogged’) openly smirks at this. There’s no knowledge of Norse magic or culture necessary for a modern audience to grasp why this might be a challenge to Loki’s masculinity - in most of patriarchy fighting is always more macho than slippery evasion and escape. The line does hark of the Norse ideas around seiðr (seith) - feminine magic, though, and I wouldn’t be surprised if the line in the movie was inspired by this somewhat, though probably not all that rigorously. Men in Norse society were supposed to fight, be forthright, honest and physical. Although there were male practitioners of seiðr, they were not seen as masculine or proper men. Ergi is associated with seiðr. Seiðr magic involves practices such as possession (feminine as like being penetrated, passive), dances, trances, visions, curses, shape-shifting and manipulations. Berserkers, in that they allowed themselves to be possessed by the bear, were apparently practitioners of seiðr despite their ultra-macho vibes, so this isn’t all straightforward or binary. 

    Loki, through his magic as seen/told in the Thor movie, does much that would be classified as seiðr: ”I was the one who veiled us in smoke to ease our escape”, illusions, hiding, creating confusion, scrying, shape-shifting. We can see that he does tricks, that he is the cold and shadowy compared to Thor’s warmth and boldness. Though he fights fiercely enough to be acceptably “masculine” for a comic movie villain, he is definitely the beta male to Thor’s alpha. Male villains often are - their lack of red-blooded het alpha-tude is linked firmly to their villain-itude (see: Skyfall). An old morality!

    (…Oh my GOD, another essay. This is what happens when I’m sick in bed instead of sleeping!)

    However, there is no concept of seiðr in the Marvel-verse (except with fanfic, yay!), and so Thor’s taunt can’t be seen to hold much weight, in terms of his characterisation, and attitudes towards his brother. Similarly, there’s no hint that MCU!Loki spent eight years under the hill bearing children, or (arguably) that he’s the sort of guy who would do this (I think he’s waaay more uptight than his myth counterpart). As for myself, I’m not worried overmuch about MCU!Thor’s specific “cow” remark, because if it’s intentional, it’s likely to be more of an inside joke. Also canonicity of deleted scenes debatable, etc. Finally it’s worth nothing that Myth!Loki wasn’t the practitioner of seiðr - Odin was, and Loki mocked him for it. Myth!Loki was “unmanly” for shape-shifting, giving birth to children, and effective cowardice, lying and flattery, but he could sure dish it out as much as take it.

    (Source: kisu-no-hi)

  14. I dunno if someone has done this…


    but I would really like to see some fanart of Loki’s first wife Glut, and his two daughters, Esia and Einmyria.

    I’ve heard of his sons Vali and Narfi and his other children, Hel, Jormungandr and Sleipnir.

    Maybe his daughters are a bit too obscure? idek.

    I did a poke around and came up with a few (NSFW for nudity). There’s more on deviantArt:


    (Glut, Einmyria and Eisa by Eliza Stein)


    (Einmyria by feralkin)


    (Eisa by feralkin)


    (Eisa and Einmyria by EvelRavenloch)


    (Einmyria and Eisa by Monster-Man-08)


    (Einmyria and Eisa by Alipes)

    I’ve been meaning to look these three up for a while (I’m learning as I go along, can you tell?). However, I am REALLY confused as to the primary source/s for the association with Loki. I would SO appreciate if anyone could help clear this up. Glut is supposed to mean “glow”, Eisa “ember” and Einmyria “ashes”. So there is an association with fire here. However as far as I can tell, Loki’s association with fire is not 100% certain, and the one primary source (Þorsteins saga Víkingssonar) I have found (though not in English) seems to tell, according to Wikipedia, that High-Logi (Hálogi), the king of Norway, and possibly he of the personification of fire from the Prose Edda, (and unlikely to be Loki, including etymologically) was the husband and father of Glöð, Eisa and Eimyrja. It is possible that Glöð actually means “glad” not “glow”. Einmyria is “Eimyrja”. The Wikipedia article (I know, I know) claims "Wife and daughters are sometimes wrongly ascribed to Loki rather than Logi in secondary sources."

    "Hálogi konungr átti tvær dætr við Glöð, drottningu sinni. Hét önnur Eisa, en önnur Eimyrja."

    I keep hearing that Glut as a wife of Loki is a recent discovery, however the saga above is not recently discovered, nor is the citation of Glut as Loki’s wife, in the book Myths of the Norsemen by H. A. Guerber, which was published in 1909. (Guerber’s account of Loki seems to me to be outdated and incorrect in some respects. Also, Logi = Loki was a popular Victorian-era theory but has since lost currency.)

    "Loki (fire) first married Glut (glow), who bore him two daughters, Eisa (embers) and Einmyria (ashes); it is therefore very evident that Norsemen considered him emblematic of the hearth fire, and when the flaming wood crackles on the hearth the goodwives in the North are still wont to say that Loki is beating his children."

    I’m really curious about Guerber’s citation of northern sayings which seem to support Ashes and Embers being Loki’s children. What of the theories that Loki and Logi came from the same proto-deity, or alternatively were later conflated? I would love to see/try to translate the primary sources documenting what the goodwives have to say about Loki!

    I would also like to know what the below author’s sources are when I read this account from The Norse Myths by Heilan Yvette Grimes (2010):

    "At the beginning of things Loki lived in Jotunheimr with his first wife, Glut, and his two daughters, Eisa and Einmyria. But, he found the land boring and took his boredom out on his wife and children who suffered regular beatings at his hands. On Midgardr when the flames crackled on the hearth those listening would swear they could hear the cries of Eisa and Einmyria. When the sun shown and yet it rained, those on Midgardr knew the rain was actually Glut’s tears and Loki was beating his wife again."

    So, is anyone else more confused and feeling like they know very little, compared to when they started at the top of this post, or just me? Is it all Guerber’s fault? I’d love some help clearing up the confusion!

  15. Wait, what by spanielf (dA) [Russia, 2012]
"The feathers and an apple are references to a certain myth *grin*"

    Wait, what by spanielf (dA) [Russia, 2012]

    "The feathers and an apple are references to a certain myth *grin*"